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Response to comments on draft Implementation plan for the genetic
baseline study for selected fish species in the Susitna River, Alaska SuWa 200
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Final study plan
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Susitna-Watana Hydroelectric Project document number 200
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[Anchorage : Alaska Energy Authority, 2013]
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April 30, 2013
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Study plan Section 9.14, Attachment C
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8 p.
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Attachment C to: Genetic baseline study for selected fish
species, Study plan Section 9.14 : Final study plan
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This document comprises AEA responses to agency comments in Attachment B called: Record of
consultation, development of 2013 project operational plan, Study 9.14
The comments are in regard to: Implementation plan for the genetic baseline study for selected
fish species in the Susitna River, Alaska. -- Draft.
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Attachment C
Comment/Response Table for Development of Final 2013 Project Operational Plan
1
Responses to Comments on Draft Implementation Plan for
the Genetic Baseline Study for Selected Fish Species in the Susitna River, Alaska.
Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
NMFS-1 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Section 4.2.1 While the proposed
sampling strategy is impressive, adult
Chinook salmon are inherently difficult to
sample because of their large size and
preferred spawning habitat, often in fast
deep water. This is clearly recognized in
Table 2 as the preferred sample size is
identified as 200 for each of the 6
sublocations above Devil’s Canyon, yet
the expected cumulative total for all 6
aggregated sublocations is identified as
only 50. Given anticipated sampling
difficulties, it’s unclear whether ADF&G
will be able to collect the minimum
sample set of 50 representative Chinook
salmon above Devil’s Canyon in just two
years, especially above the proposed dam
site. Even if successful, 50 appears to be
a low number of samples to compare to
identify genetic differences in related
stocks. The authors should consider other
options in case the realized sample
numbers are too low to address project
objectives.”
After considering other options, as
requested, AEA has revised the
Implementation Plan (IP) to include
identifying tissues from juvenile Chinook
as a potentially useful tool for augmenting
adult collections. See Implementation
Plan Section 4.6.2.
2
Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
NMFS-2 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Section 4.7.1 Regarding the proposed
preliminary analysis of the 10 samples
collected in Kosina Creek in 2012, there
is concern regarding the validity of the
test. It’s possible given the small number
of samples that the power of the test may
not be strong enough to identify
differences if they exist. It’s also
possible that the small sample set could
be biased in some way and therefore
suggest differences where they may not
exist. Because of this potential for
misinterpretation, the authors should
consider first performing some type of
power analysis with existing populations
of known genetic divergence to gauge the
validity of comparing 10 samples from a
single aggregation. If the test can’t
statistically be done with 10 samples, it
might be best to hold any comparison
until the sample sets are strong enough
for a statistically reliable test.”
Agreed. AEA will process the samples,
but not test, analyze, or report until
sample sizes are appropriate. AEA has
revised IP to reflect this change. See
Implementation Plan Section 4.7.1.
NMFS-3 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Regarding the sampling locations
upstream of the proposed dam site, the
authors should consider including adult
and juvenile Chinook salmon sampling
upstream of the Oshetna River (location
22 on Figure 2). My understanding is
that the Oshetna River is the furthest
upstream location that juvenile Chinook
No salmon have been documented in the
Susitna watershed above the confluence
of the Oshetna River. The salmon
escapement study (Section 9.7) will apply
radio tags to the salmon population to
document fish distribution in the Upper
River, including above the Oshetna River,
in 2013 and 2014. With 10-15% of the
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Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
salmon were identified in the past, but it’s
possible those juveniles could have
originated from further upstream
spawning aggregates and it’s not clear
whether locations upstream of the
Oshetna River have been surveyed for
even presence or absence of salmon; no
apparent barrier to their migration is
noted and habitat appears suitable.”
fish radiotagged in the Middle River (1 in
5 to 1 in 7 fish) each year, radiotagging
will detect very small aggregations of fish
in the Upper River and this will provide
the high-powered test to find any fish
above the Oshetna River. Although AEA
has not revised the IP in response to this
comment, AEA acknowledges that the
boundary may be reconsidered as
information becomes available.
NMFS-4 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Given that previous studies were
completed in the past regarding the
proposed dam site, it would be helpful to
determine whether samples such as scales
are available from historical studies.
DNA from historical scales might help
differentiate between the 3 different
hypotheses identified in 2.2.1.”
AEA has contacted several experts and
leads of historical studies, and determined
that no Chinook salmon were sampled
from above Devils Canyon during these
studies. No change to IP based upon this
comment.
NMFS-5 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Section 4.6 While the proposed tests
will be used to differentiate between the
three hypotheses, the specific level of
divergence used to discriminate fish
populations is unclear. This is
presumably because the number of
available samples will shape the utility of
the potential tests and interpretation of
the results will be done later in 2014 and
2015 in consultation with other
laboratories.”
Agreed. Our approach needs to be
partially determined by samples and
preliminary results. As proposed, we will
confer with NMFS and USFWS before
analysis begins.
4
Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
NMFS-6 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Juvenile salmon species can be difficult
to distinguish, thus the authors should
include species ID for juveniles collected
at least upstream of the proposed dam site
and possibly below. Such an analysis
might provide additional information
regarding potential spawning success of
all salmon species.”
Agreed. Above Devils Canyon, AEA will
collect tissues from all Pacific salmon
captured and AEA will verify species
through DNA analysis. Below Devils
Canyon, field identification will be to
Pacific salmon species, but DNA analysis
will be used to verify that field species
identification is being done correctly.
AEA has revised IP in response to this
comment. See Implementation Plan
Sections 4.2.4.3 and 4.4.
NMFS-11 NMFS 4/12/2013 Comments 1-5 listed by NMFS as “minor
grammatical suggestions”
Accepted. See various sections of the
Implementation Plan.
NMFS-7 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Page 5, under “Objectives”: might
consider separating into primary and
secondary objectives”
No change to IP. Objectives should
remain as written in RSP.
NMFS-8 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Page 7, under “Sample collection
targets”: might consider separating into
primary and secondary sampling goals”
AEA does not believe it is necessary to
distinguish between primary and
secondary goals. AEA has not revised IP
in response to this comment.
NMFS-9 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Page 12, second paragraph: “….
exclude from the baseline all …” – are
juveniles going to be included in the
genetic baseline?”
Juveniles will be included in the baseline
above Devils Canyon, if needed for
supplementing adult collections (see
response to NMFS-1). No juveniles
collected below Devils Canyon will be
used for baseline. See Implementation
Plan Sections 4.2.1 and 4.6.2.
NMFS-10 NMFS 4/12/2013 “Page 32-36, Figures 2-6: helpful to
identify the proposed dam site on the
maps”
AEA has clarified in the caption in Figure
2 that the dam site is RM 184. Figures 3-
6 do not include the area where the
5
Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
proposed dam is located. See
Implementation Plan Figure 2.
USFWS-1 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 3, Section 2.1.1, Assessing
Chinook salmon population structure:
This section could be improved by
organizing it into three paragraphs, one
for a description of each of the
hypotheses of population structure above
Devil’s Canyon. For Hypothesis 1a,
temporal variation in allele frequencies
may be seen in small, genetically isolated
populations (Waples and Teel 1990).”
Agreed. In response to this comment,
AEA has revised the IP. See
Implementation Plan Section 2.1.1.
USFWS-2 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 5, Section 3, Objectives: In the
last line of the paragraph introducing the
objectives, it reads “…(3) assess the use
of Lower and Middle River habitat by
juvenile Chinook salmon originating in
the Middle and Upper Susitna River.”
Should this be “Lower River habitat”
(delete the word Middle), to follow what
is written in Objective 5, “…selected
Lower River habitats…”?”
AEA has not changed the IP in response
to this comment. Chinook salmon
contributions to the Lower and Middle
River from upstream sources are of
interest (Goal 3). It is in the Lower River
that we will examine contributions at the
level of habitat type (Objective 5). Other
studies will be sampling juveniles from
the Middle River opportunistically.
These samples will be preserved but only
analyzed if needed.
USFWS-3 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 5, Section 3 Objectives, Objective
#3: There needs to be justification on
why samples outside of the Susitna River
are being collected for Chinook salmon.”
AEA has not revised the IP in response to
this comment. The IP includes this
collection of samples because it was
included in RSP, in response to FERC
requests.
USFWS-4 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 6, Section 4.2, Samples to collect:
This section about recommended sample
Agreed. AEA’s approach will be partially
determined by samples and preliminary
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Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
sizes was confusing; some background
information and citations seem to be
missing (e.g., for the first sentence) or
misplaced (e.g., Nei 1978). Sample sizes
are partially dependent on the genetic
divergence among stocks, the information
content of the genetic markers, and
adequate estimate of allele frequencies.
A more thorough description or better
references, for example the recent reports
for chum salmon and sockeye salmon
MSA, would be useful here.”
results. AEA will confer with technical
representatives from NMFS and USFWS
before analysis begins. AEA has
modified the IP to include appropriate
citations and clarify the rationale for
appropriate sample sizes. See
Implementation Plan Section 4.2.
USFWS-5 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 7, Section 4.2.1, Sample collection
target #5 and Page 9, Section 4.2.4,
Juvenile Chinook salmon collection
above Three Rivers confluence: Why is
only the Oshetna River being sampled for
juveniles, since adults were collected in
Kosina Creek and juveniles have been
seen here? We have not checked the
Anadromous Waters Catalog, but all
tributaries above the Canyon should be
sampled for juveniles. Chinook salmon
juveniles can migrate quite some
distances from their tributary of origin
(e.g., Daum and Flannery 2011).”
From Devils Canyon to the Oshetna
River, 4 tributaries will be targeted for
sampling of juvenile Chinook salmon
(Oshetna Creek, Kosina River, Fog
Creek, and Cheechako Creek). Above the
Oshetna River, results from the Salmon
Escapement Study (RSP Section 9.7) in
2013-2014 will determine whether
additional tributaries should be surveyed -
see response for NMFS-3. AEA has
revised the IP and RSP to add juvenile
collection sites from above Devils
Canyon to the Oshetna River. See
Implementation Plan Sections 4.2.1 and
4.2.4.1.
USFWS-6 USFWS 4/12/2013 “There should be some justification on
why juvenile samples collected below the
falls that are used for “baseline” will
Agreed. Juvenile collections below
Devils Canyon will not be used as
baseline. Adult collections below Devils
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Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
likely not comprise a mixture of stocks
(please see Specific Comment Page 13,
for other suggestions on how these
samples could be used.)”
Canyon should be sufficient. AEA has
revised IP in response to this comment.
See Implementation Plan Section 4.2.1.
USFWS-7 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 9, Section 4.2.6, Other species
collections: It sounded like resident
species are going to be in bulk
collections. Is that a single bulk
collection for the entire Susitna River, or
a bulk collection for each sampling site
(recommend the latter)?”
AEA has revised IP to specify five spatial
groups: Chulitna R., Talkeetna R., Upper
Susitna River, and Middle Susitna River
(broken into above and below Devils
Canyon). See Implementation Plan
Section 4.2.5.
USFWS-8 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 12, Section 4.5, Data Retrieval and
Quality Control: Elimination of siblings
will only be done for juvenile collections
for baseline?”
Clarified to IP to indicate adult salmon
will be analyzed for sibling relationships,
but adult siblings will still be used in
tests. See Implementation Plan Section
4.6.2.
USFWS-9 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 12, Section 4.6.2, H-W
Expectation: There may be some
deviations from HW expectation by
chance. Is it really necessary to delete the
collection(s) from further analysis?
Should HW testing be conducted after
temporal pooling?”
No change to IP. AEA agrees that
deviations from HWE may be by chance,
and will confer with technical
representatives from NMFS and USFWS
prior to analysis.
USFWS-10 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 13, Section 4.6.8, Testing among
hypotheses: This section needs to be
expanded. The Evolutionary Criteria of
Waples and Gaggiotti (2006) should be
described, and related to Hypotheses 1a,
1b, and 2. What are the three levels of
the hierarchical analysis? Evaluating the
AEA has revised IP to clarify. Upon
determining sample sizes and results,
AEA will select an appropriate approach
after seeking input from NMFS and
USFWS technical representatives. See
Implementation Plan Section 4.6.9.
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Reference
Number
Commenter Comment
Date
Comment AEA’s Response
Evolutionary Criteria/Hypotheses through
estimating effective population size may
not be very powerful if confidence limits
are large. Also, unless large sample sizes
are achieved, estimating Ne may not be
very successful (Waples 1989, England et
al. 2005). It may not be possible to use
the temporal method, because the time
span in the samples collected may not be
large enough. The collections of juveniles
may be useful in Ne estimation, provided
they represent a single cohort and
population. It may be possible to
determine if juveniles are from one
cohort by measuring individual length to
determine if sizes fall in a single mode.”
USFWS-11 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Another possible analysis is to use the
program MIGRATE to both estimate
migration rates and direction and Neµ.
This analysis may also be of interest for
the juvenile collections above and below
the canyon.”
No change to text, but AEA agrees to
evaluate various analytical methods and
will confer with technical representatives
from NMFS and USFWS.
USFWS-12 USFWS 4/12/2013 “Page 14, Section 4.7.1 Assessing
reporting groups (including above Devil’s
Canyon for MSA: Delete preliminary test
using Kosina Creek 2012, N=10. Wait
until more samples are collected.”
Agreed. AEA will process the samples,
but not test, analyze, or report. AEA
revised IP text to reflect this change. See
Implementation Plan Section 4.7.1.